One of my favorite exhibits currently on view in Chelsea, "New Paintings by Lui Shtini" at Van De Weghe Fine Art serves as yet another reminder that painting, in the right hands, is far from dead. Shtini's paintings bear the precise strokes of an obsessive while his subject matter betrays the predilections of a unsettled mind.
Or, perhaps not. The paintings on view, stylistically reminiscent of Magritte (though shrugging off any surrealist trappings), may elicit unease but they do so by serving as a mirror for our own psychological baggage. ("Bambi," 2008, pictured right.)
The following is an interview conducted the week before Shtini's opening, his first solo show of many I imagine.
What are some of your influences?
Lately I've been focused on older painters, not because of the subject matter but because of the way they treat color. Initially, I was very influenced by Morandi, Francis Bacon and Magritte at a certain level, but I hate Dali. I hate him. I don't want to have anything to do with that. I'm trying to keep the work from simply being a surrealism thing. I'm trying to almost focus on this moment of truth/not truth; this moment of imagination clashing with reality.
How do you decide upon your compositions? Do you work from sets?
I don't. Everything just comes together. It starts with one conversation, where an image or an object somewhere kind of strikes me. It sits there in my head for a while. Then, I find myself thinking about it and thinking about it. There's a reason why, but I can't place what that reason is. As it sits there, it's being built up with other elements that I absorb over time. Within a few months, I'll have a solidified image of the thing I want to make.
Then starts the process of deciding how big the canvas will be. What I'm trying to do also, in order to make the paintings look very real or to feel like they're real, is to make them almost the size they would be in actuality. So if I'm painting a chair, I will paint the chair almost the exact size as a real chair.
Complete interview and more images after the jump.
New Paintings by Lui Shtini
Through 11 April, 2009
Van De Weghe Fine Art
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So the scale of the works on view varies?
Exactly. They vary. I wouldn't put a truck in a small painting, because it wouldn't make sense. If I were to paint a truck, I would try to paint it on a really big canvas, because that makes you enter it, because you're used to that big image. You relate to it. I've noticed that in Caravaggio a lot. His work is almost the exact same size as the people he's representing. So you're immediately going into it, being part of it.
In terms of the thematic discussion, many of the paintings seem to center on an object, or objects, in an empty room. There's a feeling of solitude and, in some cases, darkness to them.
They tend to have that sort of coldness. I'm not interested in making something comfortable, or fluffy and warm. There's no point to that. Every color I use serves its purpose to poke the viewer's nervous system, instead of making him feel comfortable. It's more about having the image almost cut you.
What do you hope the viewer will take away from your paintings?
My main goal is to have each individual person explore them differently, the way they want to explore: using their psyche, using their experiences, their nightmares, their sensibilities. I don't want to force anything that has to do with the experience of the viewer with the work.
So each individual's memories can translate into a different reading?
Exactly. I've noticed that with people. It's amazing how a year after, a person will be talking about a work and it's become a completely different thing from what he has seen, but it's vivid in his head. I want people to have their own way of seeing the work.
One of your earlier pieces that stood out to me was "Untitled (cow and tiger)."
I had this idea of sex and devouring. Itâs like this aggressive and pleasurable thing that happens. I just thought that a cow would be a really beautiful example of something passive giving itself up to this. And the tiger is this thing that always attacks from behind, it's always this sneaky thing. So, basically the tiger looks like it's going to eat the cow, but when you look closely at the painting, you notice the tiger's testicle. That completely changes the conversation. It's always those little details, those elements that change the whole conversation.
Are there those kind of elements in all of your paintings, like if you look close enough youâll experience a switch?
Definitely. Thatâs what makes them look "surreal." For example, there's this painting of a pint glass with water and a bright orange straw, and there are tadpoles in it ["Untitled (Glass with Tadpoles)," 2008, above right]. And next to it there's this plastic container that looks like a vitamin container with a label that has a frog on it. So there's this weird interaction of these elements that make it strange.
There's no distortion, except the placement of the things, and also the way that they're not based in reality. They do look fake, but they do look real. I'm trying to have this imaginary idea of what a straw would look like, but I'm not looking at a real straw. Therefore, it looks real but it's not, which adds to the "surreal" element, which is not really surreal. I'm just painting a straw.
If surrealism isn't the right word, and realism isn't, then how would you describe your paintings?
I like to call them hallucinations of images from reality.
I had this experience once. I was on the subway, it was full of people, and there was this girlâ¦ I was convinced that she had this plastic nose that she took off and fixed back onto her face. I was awake, I wasn't drunk, I was completely normal and reading a book actually, but I just happened to observe this. And for the rest of the ride I kept staring at her and her nose, which looked real, though I was certain I'd seen her move it. I love that kind of situation. Thatâs what I want to communicate.
"Bambi," 2008, "Untitled (Red Throne)," 2008, and "Untitled (Glass with Tadpoles)," 2008 images courtesy Van De Weghe Fine Art, New York.